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McCain v. Palin On Preemptive War

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:45:08 PM EST
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John McCain defending preemptive war against Iraq:

Sarah Palin arguing that going to war is a last resort against an "imminent strike" against the American People:

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    What intelligence about imminence (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:18:36 PM EST
    does she think would be reliable? Revelations?

    Wow... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by kredwyn on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:16:28 PM EST
    interesting...mean...but interesting...

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    Mean? Bush and McCain had little use (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:26:23 PM EST
    for NIE's. They knew. Why wouldn't she?

    She already knows the Russians were unprovoked.

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    what does that have to do (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by kredwyn on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:29:09 PM EST
    with Revelations?

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    There's an interesting wedge. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Salo on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:47:23 PM EST
    well done there. See if the wizzards at the DNC can use it to create a winning argument.

    I wouldn't count on it... (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by skuld1 on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:05:02 PM EST


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    How did the rest of the interview go? (none / 0) (#2)
    by coigue on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:50:06 PM EST


    No idea (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:58:24 PM EST


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    A fuller transcript than others at the moment (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by andrys on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:29:22 PM EST
    on the war segments

    He misquotes here again leaving out the prefacing sentence on the "task from God" thing...

    Her full statement as published in a few papers
    was a call that they pray THAT this war is 'a task from god' ... said in fragmented sentences, parts of which were picked up as whole, standalone sentences.

    An AP story at HuffPost

    http://volokh.com/posts/1220914092.shtml

    WashPost story

    Wall Street Best of the Web Today 9/9/08

    Matching the statement today, she seems in past fuller reports to be asking the congregants to pray, "also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

        At first, I'd thought her phrase was scary/dangerous, but it seems she was voicing doubt about leaders and a questionable war in a more fitting way for church atmosphere.

        The missing words or preface "[pray] ... that]"
    tend to change the thrust of that.

        Gibson was actually using the quoted sentences without any of the 'praying that' which came up in the fuller-text stories.

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    I noticed that too (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by BernieO on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 06:52:29 AM EST
    When I first heard about this statement I watched the video clip of her entire statement and it sure sounded to be like she was saying let us pray that ...... our leaders are sending them on a task from God. But that is not how it is being reported.

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    This rap on Palin has been debunked on several (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by jawbone on Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 10:51:25 AM EST
    sites, but I fear the MCM* has managed to create new truthiness to fit its Narrative.

    I hated the MCM playing Narrative Editor and Writer when it was done to Dems--and I don't like it now when it's being done to Repubs.

    Just give us the freakin' facts, as best knowable and provable. PLEEEEEEZE!

    It does seem the Repubs are quicker to call out the MCM on distortions against Repubs than Dems often are when it's against Dems--but that may bcz the MCM is owned by those more attuned to the Repub side of things.

    *MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media

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    McCain shouldn't lose heart though (none / 0) (#3)
    by glanton on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:53:05 PM EST
    And neither should the neocons. Plenty of war to go around for everybody with McCain/Palin Administration.

    Because Palin said in this same bareknuckle interview, that Russia was "unprovoked" in the Georgia conflict.  Unprovoked was the word she used. And said that Georgia and Ukraine should be in NATO.  And expressed perfect willingness to wage war with Russia if that's what the NATO admission were to bring.  

    Last resorts? Hmmm.  Anything can be described as a last resort.  Bush said he'd exhausted diplomacy when he invaded Iraq.

    You might want to read the (none / 0) (#9)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:01:27 PM EST
    transcript. Maybe then you won't be blinded by her presence  ;)

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    I know, I know. PDS (none / 0) (#21)
    by glanton on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 10:33:33 PM EST
    That's what causes resistance to her expressly cavalier attitude towards the US getting into a war with Russia over the Caucuses.

    If Bush saber rattles or wazes cavalier about War, it's reasonable to call him on it. Same with McCain. Or with any of these clowns running the GOP.  But if it's Palin and you call it out, it's either PDS, sexism, or both.

    Blech.

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    I think you mean the Caucasus (none / 0) (#27)
    by Don in Seattle on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:27:42 PM EST
    The war over the Caucuses happened earlier this year. Mark Penn lost.

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    Touche (none / 0) (#31)
    by glanton on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:34:30 PM EST
    Freudian slip?  A subliminal error, triggered by reading reams of TL commenters who are angry at the primaries, but pretty darned okay with the spectacle we just witnessed.  Jeez.  When Charlie Gibson wipes up the floor with someone on the verge of getting hands on the levers of power, you know the shark has been jumped.

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    Thank you for your gracious reaction. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Don in Seattle on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:48:32 PM EST
    I get a bit nervous cracking wise sometimes, especially when it touches on what I know is a sore spot for many. Still, I can't resist a pun.

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    Yummy, the ticket that promises something for (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:55:26 PM EST
    everyone except a home to live in, and a way to get to and from work that you can afford and a decent education for your children that you can afford so that they too can enjoy a future in the hamster wheel of repaying the unrepayable  national debt....just rambling

    No one (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 09:59:43 PM EST
    is doing anything on the economic front. Maybe if Obama stood up and said "I'll be Bill Clinton when it comes to ecnomics" that would say something.

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    After trashing Bill economic legacy? (2.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Prabhata on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 11:38:09 PM EST
    People forget, but I'm keeping score.  Obama trashed Bill Clinton's economic legacy.   
    The minute he praises Bill, the Republican's will have an ad ready to go.

    Obama attacks Bill Clinton's economic legacy
    By Edward Luce in Washington DC
    Thursday Mar 27 2008 12:40

    Barack Obama on Thursday la